MAREK Z. AND BEATA JOANNA ULIKOWSKA
v EQUALITY AND HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSIONWe would like to accuse Equality and Human Rights Commission for not supporting us
when we were asking for help.
Letter from Knowledge Officer dated 23rd July 2009 makes from us stupid people and at
the same time disregard us .
1.
At the beginning of 2008 we posted letter and copy of our Grievance Procedure to
Equality and Human Rights Commission .
Organisation , which was created to fight with discrimination , victimization , harrasment
and violence at work had not given any support to us .
On 30th July 2008 we sent next letter to them by email hoping that this time they give us
some assistance.
2.
Our next message by email from July 2008 and letters from 31st January 2009 and 10th
March 2009 all of them were either without response or answer was negative.
3.
On 6th July 2009 we posted complaint to Knowledge Officer regarding means in which
Equality and Human Rights Commission dealt with our cases.
4.
Knowledge Officerfs answer dated 23rd July 2009 synonymously showed that in this
country we can not count for disinterestedness.
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LIOYDS TSB
I would like to accuse Lloyds TSB and Experian Ltd for operating to thedetriment and redusing to bancruptcy of my person.
1.
In period March 2008 - July 2009 I made several applications for loan. Every time my
request was declined ( they lent me 5000 Pounds in March 2008 but only because I had
got at that time long term saving account for exactly lent by them sum of 5000 Pounds ).
My explanations,talkings to bank stuff did not bring any results.
I wanted that money for my investition which I made abroad.
I have bought apartament in Bulgaria . At the moment of applying for loans I had paid
75 % of all property
fs price .Almost everything from my own savings - it is about 30 000 pounds .I needed money
to pay further payments .
2.
Because of negative decissions I had to borrow cash from Credit Cards - 2200 Pounds
and borrow money in Poland - about 10 000 Pounds
Those lendings were very expensive - taken in last moment to avoid bancruptcy.
I had to experience stress ,took several times holidays from my work and made severals
travels to Poland only for one purpose - seeking for money.
3.
I have been customer of Lloyds TSB since 11/2005.
In 2008 I had got on my current account 10 000 Pounds and on my saving account
further 5000 Pounds.My salaries were over 1200 Pounds.
There are comings into my account for 3 months preceding my CreditExpert credit report
from 02/07/2008 which defined my account as a
gHIGH RISKhMay 2008 - 5 541,79 Pounds
June 2008 - 4459,90 Pounds
July 2008 - 1268,32 Pounds.
4.
I tried to change my score .I made 2 phone calls and I wrote 2 letters to Experian Ltd. Of
course everything in vain.
5.
They reproached me also with the way I manage my account.
I do not understand what do they try to say.
I made investition.I decided to buy apartament in Bulgaria in very fashianable place at
first seaside lane for rent.
Every banker will say that to make further money you must it invest and that you can not
keep money useless.
6.
The biggest mistake which I have ever made was to put my money on 2 long-one-year-
term saving accounts - althogether 11 500 Pounds in Lloyds TSB .
I believed in my after-year interest.
During that year 2007/2008 because of becoming cheap British Pound on international
market and because of impossibility to withdraw that money earlier I have lost a lot of
money.
7.
This is why I decided to invest to avoid further losses.
I could not predict that bank with which I tied up my finances will start reducing me to
bankruptcy.
8.
I explained every time ,that they forced me for taking very expensive credits and that I ask
for credit to consolidate all my debts .They have known very well that after obtaining
credit from them I would able to pay back my existing credits and pay further money to
fill up my investition in Bulgaria-which will start to earn money for itself.
My monthly instalment would be lower about 150 Pounds .This mean that I would be
able to do small savings again.
9.
I have been in England for over 5 years. I can apply for British passport.
Since my arrival to England I changed my addresses very rarely.
On my last address I was living over 3 years.
I am on Electoral Roll.
10.
I have not had got any breaks in my employment.
I am very responsible person.In first half of 2009 when I was not earning enough money
in my one employment I took additional job to pay all my instalments and live with
dignity.
11.
They were joking at me writing that I can appeal if I do not agree with my credit score .
I tried to appeal many times to Experian and to Lloyds TSB.Every time I lost only my
precious time and I was forced to take last moment very expensive credits and spend
additional money for journeys to Poland (200-300 Pounds each time)-only one reason
why I several times lost my financial balance-and experienced stress.
12.
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Every bank is established to help people like me .
If it is enough to live in England for one year and earn more than 700 pounds a month to
get loan , so why my requests were all the time declined .
Average Englishman has got 10 credit cards , a couple of loans , often he or she goes
bankrupt and after that he or she can still lend money from banks .
I do not understand , why such person like me , who is earning more than 1000 pounds
a month , is never late with payments is discriminated . I have never fought , that I will
have to fight with discrimination with bank .
13.
Once again I accuse bank Lloyds TSB and Experian Ltd for reducing me to bancruptcy in
period from March 2008 until present .
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TRANSCRIPT WITH BANK MANAGER-Shifa Rashid
(
23/08/2010)Beata-there is letter in which I am asking for bank statements.I have obtained statements
for last year,I am asking for statements for 2 previous years and for references
Shifa-OK,what I do I will send that out and you might be asked for paying for these statements
I send it off and they do it for you.Is it OK?
Beata-statements for year 2005,2006 and for first half of 2007. We have obtained for last year statements by post .We are saking for references they are very important to us.
Shifa-OK,what for do you need references?
Beata-because if you do not want to give loan for us so we would like to apply for mortgage in Bulgaria
Shifa-O yes
Beata-so please send it to me this week
Shifa-so statements it is not enough?
Beata-no,because they have written that they need statements and references
Shifa-Ok I see what can I do for you.Can I see your card,can I look into your account?
How much do you need to borrow?
Beata-15 000
Because it is strange I have got 5000 loan,but I pay 122Pounds monthly and it is less than 10%of my monthly income.
Shifa-yes,yes I understand you completely,as I said you before you have got really good account
Yes I tried again ,but your request for loan is still declined
Beata-I do not understand I saved last year about 14 000 Pounds,and my account is very good but I have obtained references from Experian and they wrote that my account is very poor and I don
ft understandShifa-Why?yes it
fs very goodWhat do you need in your references
Beata-that we give you our wages every week,it
fs almost every week because I sometimes realise checks in Moulton in Cooperative ,where I work,that we can save money,that I had got 2 long term savings accounts in your bank,one for 6500 and second for 5000 PoundsShifa-long terms accounts,regular salary
Beata-and that we can pay investments for loans
Shifa-yes I write to Custommer Service
Beata-and we need it this week
So when?
Shifa-I can
ft guarantee,but I tryStatements will be this week.
Beata-so statements will be 100% this week
Shifa-yes,statements,will be 100% this week.
Beata-thank you,bye
Shifa-bye
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TRANSCRIPT
- SUBEI MIAH- BANK SENIOR MANAGER(
28/08/2008)Manager-How can I help
Beata-I need statements for 2 years.They sent me for 1 year ,but I need for another 2 years
Manager-Ok
Beata-and I need references that I pay my wages every week
Manager-we don
ft actually do that,what you need it forBeata-as I told you before I need it for my investments in Bulgaria
Manager-they need to wrote to us that they need information about your account
Beata-no they clearly wrote to me that it is my buisiness to provide them with all documentation
Manager-they must write to us with their enquires
Beata-but I told you they wrote to me that it is my duty to provide documents
Manager-I
fm telling what is bank procedure,bank will not provide letter unless they ask for thisBeata-but this is my personnal request
Manager-we can
ft do thatBeata-so write me letter ,without title
hreferenceshthat I pay my wages every week and that I had got 2 long term saving accounts-one for 6500 and second for 5000PoundsManager-I can not confirm this
Beata-why not,if it is true
Manager-we can
ft do it for youBeata-so give me copies of my agreements that I established 2 long term saving accounts,one for 6500 and second for 5000 Pounds
Manager-we need request in writing
Beata-I can provide you in writing my request for copies of my agreements
Manager-here?
Beata-yes
And I need to obtain it this week together with statements
Manager-you must write
hfor attention to Branch ManagerhAnd address it here because I will not deal with that
And send that here
Beata-why can
ft I speak with branch manager today?Manager-You are speaking with one of managers I
fm senior managerBeata-but you said that I should write letter to branch manager
But I want to write this letter today and leave it here today
What for I must send letter if I am speaking to you and you are designated manager
I don
ft understand if Ifm talking to you face to face.Manager-letter is because we need to send it off
How long you are in this bank?
Beata-3 years
Manager-so bank doesn
ft send you statements at the end of every month?Beata-I
fve got statements but not with me I need them once again from bank,Ifm foreigner and I left my statements at my home in the country of my origin.Itfs easier to me to ask you for copies of my statements,than go to Poland to take them.I need statements for the first 2 yearsManager-I can only order statements for last one year,but you have them?
Beata-yes,but I am asking for other 2 years
Marek-he is breaching your consummer
fs rightsbeata-you all the time refuse me loans so what I need that is my statements and copies of my agreements
Manager-I can not help you
Beata-so give me shit of paper
Manager-here you are,put name,address,bank account number
(
reads letter)-but you have got copies of these agreementsBeata-yes but I left them in Poland
Manager-ok give me your letter
Beata-I want xerocopy
Manager-here you are
Beata-could you sign me on my xerocopy that you obtained this letter
Manager-no.I
fm not going to sign itBeata-so give me address where I should send this letter
Manager-no I
fve got next custommerBeata-so give me back my letter I ask for it in reception.
We left his office .At reception lady (Polish lady) wrote references stright away and orderred statements for 2 years.She did not see any problems like Shifa and senior manager.
We wanted his signature that he received this letter from me because it was clear that Shifa did not send off my letter week earlier and I reasonably believed that senior manager will not do this too.